Prolific Illyriad forum poster, anti-land claim evangelizer, and polarizing player ajqtrz has been purportedly permabanned from the game, the Times has learned. Details of the permaban offense are still unconfirmed, but TUF officials did confirm to the times that AJ was indeed banned from the game and did not abandon.
Reports indicate that TUF leader Agalloch is furious over the move by the devs to permaban ajqtrz and has changed the name of The Unfettered to read “The Pissed Off” [FUK]. The alliance apparently believes that SIN veteran Stukahh was involved in AJ’s permabanning, but no evidence has yet arisen confirming this.
ajqtrz pushed the limits of the Illyriad forum in arguing a host of points, some of which were often only tangentially related to the playing of the game itself. He rose to prominence in the Spring of 2015, just as the launch of land claims began to take root. From the onset of land claims, AJ vehemently argued against their use and enforcement in the game, warning of their dangerous and potentially destructive capabilities — a line of argument that he recently picked back up in the crossfire of heated words that have persisted in the YARR/TUF war.
Why was ajqtrz Permabanned?
The game developers rarely discuss permaban cases and are unlikely to do so here. However, rumors that the offense came as a result of forum posts may hold some merit, as the Times believes that AJ’s forum band came first, which may have led him to angrily contact the devs, thus leading to an in-game permaban as well.
The following screen shot shows AJ’s forum profile page:
The last visit registers as yesterday at 00:57, however, when searching ajqtrz’s post, the last post currently on the forum is this one, which was posted 10 May 2016 at 00:03. This suggests that he may have signed on and posted other posts that have since been deleted, causing the forum ban, or that the preponderance of polemic posts finally led GM Rikoo to levy the forum ban.
What is particularly revealing, however, is that AJ’s growth chart shows builds as early as today.
All of this is speculation, and the only thing that is bound to remain certain is that AJ is indeed permabanned from both the game and forum.
As of right now, the Times has not permabanned him from commenting here.
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I never blamed stuk for aj getting banned i told him fuck you cause i felt like it!
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the devs are sabotaging my alliance by removing 2 active accounts when we are already outnumbered and after being piled on top of it!
I mean come on people is this fucking fair?
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Get real. AJ couldn’t fight his way out of a wet paper sack. If he’d run his account a tenth as well as he runs his mouth, ajqtrz might have been a respectable fighter. The devs did you a favor.
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Fair? Is it fair you look (and smell) like that? Life isn’t fair. If you don’t like the situation, consider who’s at fault: who let aj into TUF?
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You should be angry at Aj for obviously pushing the devs relentlessly until they were forced to ban him from the game. We all know that the devs don’t do this unless they really have to. The blame falls squarely on Aj’s shoulders and no where else.
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Myr, While I respect your opinion, it’s obvious that in this case you have jumped to the GM’s defense without considering or investigating the circumstances. Do read my post and see if the devs were ‘forced to ban” me from the game. What do you mean by “We all know?” How is this knowledge gained? Do you really think the GM’s never make a mistake? Have they never, in over 5 years overreacted to something and banned somebody due to a stray comment? They are human, Myr, not gods. And they were not forced to do anything as I had broken no rules and complied fully with all requests. Next time do try to find out the truth before you make the judgement.
AJ
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yeah right, now you are all happy, just admit he wasn’t liked and that’s all
if you didn’t like his forum posts you didn’t need to fucken read em.
and I am proud to have had him as an alliance mate
annoying or not his spirit was to be admired not crushed!
Shame on you!!
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im more curious on the why than the political ramifications of this annoying little war hell this site refuses to even bother posting about the other 2 wars happening
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momiji, did you try sending the Times forum messages about the other two wars?
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AJ was an annoying twat, plain and simple. Do I care that he is gone? Not in the slightest, did anyone get AJ banned? No, that was all on him.
At the end of the day, he did or said something to the devs resulting in them giving him the boot. Proud or not of him being an alliance mate, he fucked you by getting banned. Dont blame others for AJ’s demise. He did it to himself.
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While you certainly have the right to have your opinion, your opinion does not have the right to be considered a well reasoned one, since you put it forth without a single drop of supporting evidence. I did not “do it to’ myself as I have no authority to ban myself. But if you are saying I deserved the ban, upon what evidence? Because you don’t like me? If we threw out everybody in Illy somebody doesn’t like the place would have Kodabear, Myr (yes, I still like Myr), Rill and a few others talking to each other and listening to the echos of their own voices.
So again, read my post and figure out what exactly I did that broke the rules and thus deserved the ban. If you can’t be the “he-man” you claim and apologize for your snap judgement.
AJ
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Aj had strong opinions concerning the direction of this game and wasn’t afraid to voice them loud and long.
Whether he was correct will become evident only with time, but the issue wasn’t whether he was right or wrong, but whether he actually violated any of the games terms of use.
Having the DEVs permaban someone for their OPINIONS would be an unjust case of censorship. But its their game, they can ban everyone if they wish and have no game left. Entirely up to them.
Like Aj, I am a veteran of several of these games, beginning with the ridiculous Facebook Castle age, then Evony, Evony2, Aeria games Golden Age and a couple of others I cant even name. Some died because they were lame, but most because game developers are more interest in profit than in making a great game. That’s life.
For the 14 months Ive been here I thought MAYBE this game would be a bit different. The inability to accelerate research through real world cash had a bit of leveling effect. And the addition to this games of mysteries like the Gypsie Fortune Teller and Audrey added an element unlike any of the other games that made this games longevity seem assured.
But Aj believed that longevity was threatened by the cadre of wargamers leaving games like Lords of Ultima and coming here. These players, he believes, are more interested in winning the wargame aspects of Illyriad and have little interest in the aspects of the game that don’t appeal to there conqueor and win ideology.
When he became convinced the developers were encouraging this type of play, he became very vocal concerning what he felt was a bias by the GM’s for those players.
I share his opinions, and believe that the developing team is probably moving on to a new game and are in the process of milking this game for as much profit as possible, and then abandoning it to languish with no new updates. The best way to maximize the “end game” profits are to encourage and support those players who will seek to conquer the game both through sound gameplay, but also the mass expenditure of prestige.
No one will come and save this game from players who aren’t interested in trade, crafting and mysteries..The only way to save this game of that’s what your interested in is to fight. From the very beginning of landclaiming the senior members of TUF have felt that landclaims were the most logical way to achieve dominance in this realm as a wargame. And we therefore objected. We want to fight, but not to force others out of the game, or destroy its non wargame aspects just in order to rack up another “win” and then move on to a new game.
But the wargamers here have no interest in anything other than the win. And in their bag of tools are not just sound military strategy, and expenditure of real world money to achieve greatness where game skills aren’t enough. They also bully, harass and bad mouth those who stand against them. Just look at some of the other comments about aj. aj is a great guy, intelligent, thoughtful, and well spoken. As a social game, Illyriad will be less than it could be without him.
But then, that’s the goal. Winning the game means forcing everyone except your alliance and allies out. Whether its by in game force, bulling in GC and IGMs, or by the developers ban a player for an excessive expression of his legitimate concerns, they win.
SO either start looking for a new game, or fight. Just my opinion, but even if we all teamed up to battle the landclaiming war gamers, and win, we probably still lose. If the developers have lost interest( profit margin) in this game, your mysteries will go unsolved, no new tournaments will be fought, and ROADS will never get their roads.
Tool bad, this was by far the most interesting of these type games.
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You are so far out there it makes my head spin. Most of the things you accuse “land claimers” of are the very things “anti-land claimers” have done (I haven’t paid much attention lately, so I don’t know if they still do). You embody this: “Always accuse your adversary of what you yourself are doing.”
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And when you claim hypocrisy in your opponent don’t actually put forth an example but just claim “I haven’t paid much attention lately, so I don’t know if they still do.”
But of course, the real bind here is that you seem to want to condemn what you claim the “anti-land claimers” do at the same time you admit the land claimers do those things. So are the things you imagine the land claimers doing actually bad for Illy? Are the bad or not? Is bullying okay in a social group who happen to be using an online sandbox to interact?
AJ
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“No one will come and save this game from players who aren’t interested in trade, crafting and mysteries.”
That is a load of crap. The most voracious user of crafted items in Illryiad is SIN. I have well over 100000 items myself, and that certainly isn’t unique within SIN. In 2015, I did a 500M gold deal for crafted items. Our alliance arsenal is also quite large. Who else is going to use crafted items at that scale?
We regularly trade for equipment and supplies far more than most alliances. You know who never needs to buy any supplies? The crafters, the traders, and the FarmVille people sitting on their butts for two years waiting for another tournament. How much beer and other supplies have you personally consumed in 2016? I’ve probably used at least 500000 beer and spears, likely more, and I’ve purchased or bartered for most of that. I have sold heaps of hides and animal parts as well.
Maybe you missed this, but the mysteries are dead. Go ahead, keep on pretending that you are working on solving them. 99% of the people who claim to be involved on those quests are just sitting there hoping that someone else unlocks the final mysteries for them.
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So how has SIN (since you mentioned them) save the game and made it more safe for the crafters, the traders and what not? Have the insured that those non-warriors will not be forced into war by settling where they are not wanted by the warriors? Have they made the entire land of Illy more or less free? Have they insured that a person like myself, can speak his or her mind without having a price put on him? Or without having armies sent at his cities? How have the land claimers insured that all citizens of Illy are treated equally? Do all the citizens of Illy have the right to settle where they wish? Do they all have the right to disagree civilly in the forums? Do they have the right to show up in GC and not receive a lot of “trash talk” directed at them? Come now, do tell how the noble land claimers saving Illy for ALL players?
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Ive been playing this game since 2011, there has been incredible progress since I first got here. will there be more? I dont know. The game could stay as it is and it would still be awesome. Stop trying to change that.
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Spare us KenRychard, ajq was a foul, idiot, narcisist, arrogant, manipulative fking-politician (in the very wrong essence of it). As a social game, Illyriad should make another memorial to the day ajq was banned (barely 3 lines of words).
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Thank you for your eloquent and forceful statement of your opinion. I must only wonder of what you are referring when you use the word “foul” as no one has ever accused me of being foul-mouthed before. Do send me an example. As far as being an idiot, well, there is a difference between being an idiot and being unwise. The latter I can claim, the former, not so much. Finally, “manipulative” is a derogatory view of being persuasive. But you can only be called manipulative in the derogatory sense if the reasons you use to change people’s minds are actually unsound. Prove that and that I am aware of the weakness of my reasons, and then I can agree with you. As for “arrogant” I agree. Sometimes I am. But it’s a good think I’m a tad bit arrogant because if I were a tad bit more humble I’d be perfect! LOL (tongue in cheek humor in case you thought I was serious).
AJ
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Wow KR your as boring as AJ.
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and here comes the biggest cunt in illy to make a comment
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And you are as thoughtful and articulate as Ashmandia. So it all evens out in the end.
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ajgtrz has a real talent for pushing the boundaries of aggravation. Having myself had several back and forth interactions on the forum with him and finally just giving up for lack of advancement of any sort, I can only imagine what he did to aggravate the Devs to the point of removing him from the Illyriad world. I’m never happy that happens but I trust the Devs to do the right thing and in this case, I honestly will not miss the text walls I had to scroll past to read other comments in the forum. As for in game, I had almost absolute zero interaction with him so, whatever.
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And of course I appreciated your many responses, as convoluted and strange as some of them turned out to be. There is a difference between aggravation and aggression though. Sometimes we are aggravated because we wish to be right and in the back of our minds we suspect we are wrong and somebody keeps reminding us of that. I’m a thorn in the side of many exactly because I don’t assume that “the Devs do the right thing” because they are Devs. They aren’t, top my knowledge, gods. Do read the reasons I was banned and try to find any good ones for their actions.
AJ
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It is clear to me that you were banned in order to provoke an epic rant in the comments of the Illyriad Times. The culmination of years of effort on their part. Bravo.
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AJ was intolerably repetitive. He never used two words when twenty would suffice. When he first arrived in Night Squires, he made it clear that his main interest was in our training alliance protection. He further stated that he had no intention of actively learning about the game or eventually leaving. AJ then began his inflammatory behavior in GC and the forums. It was apparent to Myr and myself that he intended to use our reputation as a shield while he trolled people incessantly, even our own sponsors. AJ seemed to think that this was quite clever; indeed he always seemed to think that he was far more clever and subtle than he actually was. His whining and tantrums were ceaseless. Lest anyone forget, he once burned down one of his own cities because I sent a 1 soldier feint at him.
He stood up for what he believed in. Mostly he believed in listening to himself talk, and especially in talking down to others. His implosion on the forums was sad but very predictable. I have never before seen someone ostracize so many of his own supporters on the way to his ultimate meltdown. It is highly amusing that people have accused Stukahh of orchestrating AJ’s downfall. If we had believed that possible, I think it would have been done long ago.
Some of you may feel that AJ lost. The war of YARR vs TUF, the war of ideas, his reputation, his credibility, his mind. You know, the usual MMO fare. But I prefer to think that this was a victory of intimidation by ruthless threats of coercion and bullying. What? You heard me. His obsession with that idiocy is what drove him to one final flameout with the devs.
Ask not for whom the Banhammer falls, AJ… it falls for thee.
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A nice exercise in opinion stating. Not a single fact to back it up. You make claims and then expect, what?, your eloquent reputation of clear non-partisanship to cause everybody to just bow to your superior knowledge? And besides that, your memory seems to be a bit faulty. I’ve spoken of late to a half-dozen NS players who knew me when I was there and none of them remember any of the things of which you speak here. Selective memory is quite common when you decide somebody is your enemy…. and since you attacked me without provocation and sent armies to raze my cities, I suspect you are just engaging in blind propaganda. Evidence would be nice.
As for my razing of my city I had a choice: let you capture it and therefore have a well researched city in the midst of my cluster or raze it myself and force you to plant a small city of your own…which you did. So do try to understand strategies. They are not tactics and sometimes you do things for strategies that appear to be tactical mistakes. But a fine military player like you certainly couldn’t have missed that, could you?
As for trolling, do look up the definition. If I were a troll I would have been banned for that, but as you can see from my post of the events, I wasn’t. Trolling is a serious charge and if you are going to make it, do try to do more than scream it in the streets with the expectation that if you scream it loud enough everybody will just assume you are right. People are smarter than that.
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At the time when I razed your town, I did not have the required population to capture another. I have always been amused at your repeated claims that your self-immolation carried any strategic value whatsoever. It did not. I believe there is a significant chance that you destroyed your own city in a mini-tantrum, and later attempted to concoct a plausible-sounding excuse for your actions. However, I have no inclination to perform forensics on whether you are a drama queen or simply inept.
Also, your selective memory is faulty. My war wagon arrived prior to my transition into BB. I gave you the option to apologize to everyone. You declined, and subsequently had one city razed. At no point did you force me to move a city anywhere, especially not by destroying yourself (although that was admittedly very entertaining).
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wow crazy. now who am I suppose to siege? ohh yeah aga 🙂
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Thanks for your thoughtful replies, and less thanks to you who cant bother to address the substance of a post and instead just drop insults…
To Bonfyr, your right, you haven’t been paying attention of you can accuse me of being a hypocrite, I’m the last person to have done what you accuse me of… but I do believe what you say happens here constantly. That’s why I don’t even have GC on.
To Ten, thanks for confirming the mysteries are dead …. They are the only thing that made this game any different than the others, so I guess I’m right and the Developers are abandoning interest in making this game anything special.. It was an eye opener though to see through your post how much the wars do contribute to the game economy. Also thanks for confirming that your alliance SIN is playing this just as a war game. But just how much real money does SIN spend on prestige to then sell in game for gold so they can buy all that equipment?
Its amazing how some people delude themselves into believing they are superior players when they are buying a win, not earning a win. Its like going to a rigged chess tournament and dropping a $1000 to have 4 queens on your side of the board and then thinking your a master level chess player LOL
Not that I haven’t seen this in every lame browser war game Ive played… but I always make a few good friends along the way, and aj was one of them… so insult all you want, but why are you even posting here if you didn’t like him?
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KR, your whole premise that SIN is an alliance of crass pay to win players is your own speculation. If you got to know us you would realize that SIN are a group of people who are really into playing the game. We are into it enough to crunch numbers, use every aspect of the game to its maximum and play as a team using everyone’s strengths and compensating for each other’s weaknesses. But since you sound about as close minded as AJ it is not likely that you will ever get to know us.
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You almost had me TinkXX. I have always said that SIN plays the war part of the game better than any other alliance. But that’s the problem. They see the game as a “war game” and run rough-shod over everything and everybody else, especially if they dare have a different opinion of what Illy ought to be. You play it as a strict “war game” and use that as an excuse to restrict others trying to play it any other way. You use “intimidation by threats of coercion,” the very definition of bullying, and then pretend that it’s okay because, after all, “it’s a war game.” And when we point out that it is not “just a war game” you send armies at us and force us to play it as one. So who, exactly is restrictive and close minded? Who are the ones who will not allow others to settle where they wish, even when they are no threat to you? Who insists on everybody playing their way by forcing them to shut up in the forums and telling them that “words have consequences” when the words uses are full of sound and logical reasoning? Close minded means that you will not listen to reasoning and not respond with reasoning to ideas presented. Those who respond with armies have already showed they have lost the battle of ideas and armies are all they have left. Those armies may be enough to give an appearance of victory but deny the reality thereof.
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He was a pedant, and that is not an insult. When players questioned the “assignments” put forth by him in TUF (yes, written assignments to be completed before a dead line) he would dismiss them as ignorant or as mentally inferior to him . While not a military player he had the same philosophy as TUF leaders, threat people, try to make them think they are inferior with the use of words and complain when things dont go your way.
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As a trainer in TUF at the time it was my job to assign things to players. Some could not, by their own admission, do those assignments. I told them it was okay and we would work on teaching them. So the problem was?
When someone says “I don’t know” it means they are “ignorant” of that fact. As far as being “mentally inferior” as a reporter to others of TUF activities I would like to have your evidence that this was done. I remember nothing about thinking anyone mentally inferior but of course, some selective memories are possible and some things I said may have been seen that way. Do send me a copy of those communications as I would owe those people an apology. Thanks.
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You are not informed about war in illy if you think buying prestige gives you that massive of an advantage. You were told how ten gets his/her money and just like ajqtrz, you ignored that in favor of pushing your own narrative.
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Sorry, I got the reply chronology mixed up, I retract the latter statement
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Just go into the sunset KR. We will act like we miss you,but we really won’t.
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“But just how much real money does SIN spend on prestige to then sell in game for gold so they can buy all that equipment?”
I spent 50 GBP ($75) in 2015, for the 3250 prestige package. About half of that was bartered for crafted items, the rest was used for construction.
The vast majority of the supplies I purchased were paid for by selling hides and animal parts to the crafters. At one point a single wolf fur was worth 50 beer or 50 spears. I have about 500 skinners, and in peacetime they work almost non-stop.
“Its amazing how some people delude themselves into believing they are superior players when they are buying a win, not earning a win.”
All of my fighting during the server war was accomplished for $0.
If you have any doubts about my expertise in this game system, I would be happy to put them to rest. Feel free to consult the many students I trained as an instructor in Night Squires, or the opponents I have defeated on the field of battle. The precision timing and sophisticated maneuvers employed by SIN cannot be purchased for any dollar amount. The most that you can buy with money in Illyriad is faster construction, which is useless without city building skills, or gold, which is pointless unless you can field armies intelligently. I have traded prestige for gear, but it takes no small degree of skill to use equipment properly in this game.
“Also thanks for confirming that your alliance SIN is playing this just as a war game.”
I confirmed nothing of the sort. I refuted your idiotic premise that war contributes nothing to this game, and that the crafters, traders and Muggles must be saved from the capable warriors. We generate more demand for their goods than any other demographic in the game.
“why are you even posting here if you didn’t like (AJ)?”
Because I am one of the people that he deliberately annoyed the most, and I am fond of having the last laugh.
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Cool, thanks for such a specific response… In terms of gameplay time I am still a rookie in Illyriad. But I am a veteran of several other games in which money DID buy victory. Your response was educational, and is something that adds to my understanding of this game.
I can see where others might have viewed my opnions as closed minded, but sometimes what seems as an innaccurate judgement of the present circumstances is actually a reflection of that persons past experience… in this case my experience in other games.
However, calling my premise that war contributes nothing to the game idiotic? War destroys cities, months if not years of research, and drives players out of the game, with no real benefit or goal. At least some of the other games I played had reasons to fight, capturing specific squares and holding them would add bonuses to your alliance members in production, combat, etc. There is NO meaningful reason to fight here … With the exception of the occasional capture of a city( and it seems most of the time this is against innactives anyway) war here simply destroys what has been built. Whatever your expenditure of resources in war does for the economy is more than offset by the losses … war IS idiotic in this world… there is nothing worthwhile to be gained except of course the fun of fighting it.
SO why fight at all? What reasons are there? Well, landclaims! Geeze, one side of the issue decides to make land claims, and another side decides to fight over it. This should have been fun and a worthwhile reason to fight. But everybody has gotten so bent out of shape its become a war of threats and bullying and intimidation. Instead of being a freaking game and we can all agree, “land claims as a premise has supporters and detractors, lets fight over it” It has become a free for all of name calling and lies and bullshit.
And I guess that’s what got aj banned, because it all stopped being fun for him and he let it get to him.
Any ideas on how we can get this back to being fun?
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smack them with a mackerel and tell them to knock it off?
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I thought Aj was a good guy. Rude, a bit of a jerk, and a loud-mouth, but otherwise a good guy. Just putting this out there but a lot of yall need to calm down. Would the DEVS really permaban someone unless they really have too? You all need to look at both sides of what happened even if you all don’t have a lot of info. Don’t go just blaming the DEVs, and don’t go just blaming Aj.
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Also some of the things said here in comments, why? I mean seriously? What do some of them have to do with Aj’s permaban or the post? Just wondering.
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Who are you and what are you referring to specifically?
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Thank you for a nice even keeled reply. I do, of course, dispute the “rude, a bit of a jerk, and a loud-mouth” but who wouldn’t. But now you do have the evidence. So you read and see if you still think the Devs had a good reason for the ban. And then let’s see if they actually respond (I doubt very much they will as they always remain silent in the face of what some perceive as unjust bans…mine is not the first).
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yeah yeah yeah yada yada yada
lets all welcome more newbs to illy that stick around for 1 day then never return
but lets actively drive everyone we dont agree with out of the game
or celebrate when they rage quit
JOB WELL DONE FROM ALL YOU!!!
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We didn’t drive AJ out of the game. Quite the opposite, he was gung ho about building a coalition to defeat us, so if anything our existence was fueling his passion. He did not rage quit either. Are you intent on blaming us for his actions which lead to permaban?
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where the fuck did you see me blame your alliance?
I am blaming all you individual haters
I also blame the cocksucking devs for abandoning the game!
banning active players for forum threads like we have enough of those!!
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Thank you
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I actually agree in essence with TinkXX above in her comments about SIN and some of what Ten Kulch also says about coining in the game. I didnt know AJ that well until he reluctantly joined TUF but will vouch for his good nature and great character. He would always chose the moral high ground and I admire that in people: as well as honesty and mutual respect. I have read what he sent to the Devs and it most certainly did not deserve a permaban. This game is composed of a lot of different personality types and is a sad commentary on society if this is how folks communicate and get along. That being said I will continue to check out some of the newer MMO games until I find a better fit as Illy has truly changed dramatically in the last 15 months. I also believe and will freely comment on the various websites which Illyriad uses to promote their game, that this game is dying and the developers have no apparent plans to do anything more than milk it for every dime of prestige they can sell. Rest assured i shall not purchase any.
For those who have tolerated my lalalala’s and my bunny trail thank you. Life is a matter of perception and each and everyone of us has our own uniqueness which may or may not include neon pink siege blocks.
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Viper, let me tell you a little story about “how people communicate and get along”. While AJ was in Night Squires, he repeatedly expressed a deep (and deeply irrational) fear about thieves. I took it upon myself to demonstrate that with the proper training, the damage inflicted by thieves is actually quite minimal. To show this, I sent my thieves to his capital.
As a result of NS diplomatic defense training, AJ caught one of the smaller thief teams. I viewed that as a good result that indicated he was learning proper defense techniques. Rather than take the time to appreciate the lesson being taught by live fire, he flew off the handle in a multi-paragraph tirade that ended with “I hate you, Skint”. At no point during his screeching did AJ pause to consider my often-expressed viewpoint that students were in Night Squires to learn Illyriad self defense, and that all the advanced resources in student inventories had been supplied by Mad Cow or Myr for the express purpose of learning.
AJ was intolerant of my teaching methods and generally snubbed the overall tone of Night Squires. That is rather ironic considering his many forum posts demanding deference from people because of his teaching background. Doubly ironic because he joined our classroom in bad faith, fully intending to abuse our hospitality, and without an intention to participate or learn.
Frankly, I put up with his snide comments for months, when I really should have booted him.
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I was intolerant of bad teaching methods, like insulting students and calling them names. But the incident of which you speak ended with “I hate you Skint” as a joke. I do hate that it takes so much to defend against thieves and that there really is no defense against them en masse. At the time I had just lost 1.4 million in resources…do the calculations and figure how many thieves it takes to take that much…and was ranting about that deficit in the game. Then Sking (Ten) thieved me and while I did a reasonable job, it reminded me how frustrating being thieved is. The paragraph preceding the “I hate you Skint” said I understand the need for training but sheesh, right after I got hit? It was tongue in cheek. Proof of this is easily found since if you read all my posts you will find not one time I say I hate anybody. Hating anybody just isn’t in my character. It was tongue in cheek and if you missed that all this time, I am truely sorry.
Finally, even if I didn’t appreciate all your techniques, I did learn. Just about 2 months ago Myr sent a test at NS grads. I passed. I was ready. Not perfect, but good enough to earn some praise from Myr, and that is no small feat.
As for the rest, talk to Cedarman, Iknights and some of the other NS players who were there and see what they say. They remember it quite differently. And that nobody, in all the time I was there, ever accused me of any of the things of which you speak and only after I began speaking out re land claims have these things been brought up, makes me wonder of there veracity.
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I hope you are all happy for forcing out one of the most active new alliance to show up lately.
I expect to be perma banned also for my comments here.
lets see how long it will take.
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No no no Aga, we are just happy that ajq is out, from what i read of it.
I know its hard to understand things from your viewpoint right now, but at least understand that.
And to further it a bit, nazism is an opinion, jihad is an opinion, slavery is an opinion and the list is really really long… I am personally not “driving those out” cause they are just different, its pretty obvious why! And when they are out, yeah i kinda feel a tiny bit happier.
On the other hand, his direct “enemies”, us bullying Land Claimers, were able to talk, compromise, work so that our Land Claim actually worked. We could just burn down newbs after all, emphasis on could. There is always an option and we allowed all of the community their freedom to choose.
Farewell, old friend.
PS: Moral high ground is in the eye of the beholder: it’s HIGH ground after all, and that’s where ajq thought he was always standing, moral or not.
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after reading comments, i attribute most of this nonsense complaining to have something to do with a failed pile on attempt and less to do with ajqtrz.
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KenR, I think you owe SIN an apology. SIN has always played with skill. We don’t pay to win as you put it. I personally have not bought since March 2015. No amount of pres will make troops build faster, get there faster, raze/cap a town faster or anticipate your opponent. No amount of pres can help you anticipate when you lose a siege either. Like Tink said, we PLAY the game, to the fullest we can.
Now the REAL subject of the article.
Ajqrtz was an interesting person. I was not overly fond of him but I could still talk to him. I have not read many of his posts. Someone being perma banned is not easy and I hate to see it happen. To anyone. I wish him well and I hope he finds a place to spend his energy. Good luck Aj.
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Perhaps I didn’t stress this appropriately. ALL the previous games I have played have ended up dominated by and eventually destroyed by the pay to play teams. This is simply the browser gaming world as it is, and how could it be otherwise. If no one paid, developers wouldn’t create games. I in fact appreciate the money spent by some players that make others able to play for free.
I made a GIANT assumption, based on THAT past experience, that when a game seems to be going south, its due to money spent. But I should also have stated here, as I have in a couple of other forum posts, that I think SIN is the strongest and best playing alliance in the game. 500,000,000 gold is a lot to make just selling animal parts, and so I really was wondering if SIN was made up of large cash paying players or not.
Fiona, you and your alliance mates have my apology… I trust your well stated reply and thank you for it.
And thank you for your thoughtful statements concerning aj.
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You might consider that the crafter who got paid the 500M gold gave me only crafted items in return. Those are composed of animal parts and a few other inexpensive bits. Not so coincidentally, I sell a lot of the parts I harvest to that crafter and his friends.
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I’m spending some of my energy here…LOL. Thanks for the kind words.
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I think and will do in the future that AJ was deeply wrong in many issues but interesting discussions he created. I hoped he later put bit more playing were his forum post where and make game more interesting.
Its not very smart tactic to declare war plans months or years before you are actually ready to fight. Did he do some sort of rage quitting move with the devs, I doubt we ever know. But If you are loosing second war in a row it is easy to get pretty upset and channel the anger to wrong place.
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“Smart tactic to declare war plans months or years before….” If there is some place I implied I would be declaring war on anybody, I’m not aware of it. My purpose was to persuade everybody to abandon a dangerous and game destroying use of intimidation by threats of coercion…bullying. I would have preferred that people be persuaded, and truly think they should have been persuaded. But loyalties are what they are and too often telling your friends you have changed your mind is just too hard to do.
And my being banned was as big a surprise to me as to anyone. I am and always have been a player who plays by the rules and who tells the truth as I understand it. It makes me controversial from time to time as others may see the truth differently, but nobody has ever accused me of knowingly breaking a rule or of lying. So the ban was not of my doing.
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KenR, I think you owe SIN an apology.
Fiona, isn’t that what got AJQ into trouble in the VERY FIRST go round with SIN? And after all that, HE did.
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At least for SAYING what he said. Sin demanded an apology. And when he didn’t come forth with it RIGHT away, SIN attacked him for THE WORDS. When you know (say SIN) the typed words are not true. The defense is just saying: What AJQ said is not true.
Didn’t happen that way, now did it?
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No, actually they didn’t give me a chance to apologize before they attacked. Had they done so I would have, as I eventually did. In the end they paid me millions (my memory says it was 26 million ) for the city they destroyed and I issued an apology for not having absolute proof of my conjecture and of naming them as the source of the diplo attack. You don’t pay the guy who was wrong.
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Only Aj’s input matters to me ❤
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If he was perma banned for ‘having an opinion’, Rikoo would have done it a year ago instead of wasting all that time reading his walls of text and editing them.
Illy is not worse off for being deprived of his sophistry and propaganda.
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BTW, let me note here that the Devs themselves showed approval of “Them there is fighting words”. From forum to the map.
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So, are you saying your views are opposed to the views of the people who created and control Illyriad, yet you continue to play the game? Or is your point just a simple observation?
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A simple observation – nothing I can do about it. Devs do what they do and say what they say. I don’t have to agree or disagree with what they said, it would be moot, yeah, no?
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In the interest of answering the question of my being banned from from Illyriad i submit the following:
1) At the beginning of the land claim debate I applied the dictionary definition of bullying: “the use of intimidation by threats of coercion” to the use of intimidation by threats of coercion inherent in the land claims since they use the tactic to discourage (i.e. intimidate) others settling in their claimed lands and threaten coercion (removal) if the person settles in the area. GM Rikoo declared that the tactic was not bullying but only using “aggressive game play” which was allowed. I noted in my reply to GM Rikoo that as much as he is probably a master at Illyriad, he wasn’t and is not a lexicographer, and thus if the definition of “bullying” I used fit the description of what the land claims were doing,”bullying” would stand. I then out of deference to the community and to his point, switched my language and used ‘intimidation by threats of coercion” or “aggressive game play” as a substitute for “bullying.” At that point GM Rikoo threatened to ban me from the forums. My belief is that he is used to being the “authority” and I denied him that ground. People often take offense when their “authority” is challenged.
2) The threats to ban me continued until I took my case to GM Stormcrow. He may or may not have agreed, but the threats stopped and I continued my arguments, which seldom, if ever, became personal enough or inappropriate enough for any claim to have broken the rules. This continued until a couple weeks ago.
3) About two weeks ago I posted something that GM Rikoo thought too long. He warned me and I sought to comply and make my posts shorter. A few days ago I answered a post point-by-point by quoting the speaker and then answering each point. Apparently GM Rikoo thought that too long also and warned me again. After that I posted nothing of any length, but simply asked GM Rikoo for three things: a) the maximum length a post could be; b) an example of a post that was as long as one should be; and, c) where in the user agreement it discussed forum post lengths. I explained to him that I wished to comply and wanted the information so that I could comply. A day or so later, without further warning or discussion, he banned me from the forums. Notice that I did not post anything of any length but was in full compliance with his request to keep it shorter. During our exchanges, I requested the specific information noted above and he responded with: it’s in the user agreement (which I cannot find and asked him to point me to it), “just keep it short” (whatever specific length that means is anybody’s guess); and that it harmed the server when I posted things too long.
4) When he banned me since I was in full compliance with his request, I turned to GM Stormcrow, as I had done before. His response was to assure me that the continued ‘corrections’ by GM Rikoo were not personal and that he was simply doing his job. In my appeal I noted that the questions I had asked GM Rikoo, the ones he failed to answer. GM Stormcrow did not answer those questions either but did reiterate that long posts harm the server in some way. After this response from GM StormcrowI sent him a polite notice that the banning of myself from the forums was a breach of contract, making three legal points:
1) You cannot amend a contract without notifying all parties of the change and giving them a reasonable amount of time to respond. Adding a maximum length for a post was an amendment because the length of a post is not mentioned in the user agreement and if it had been it would have been GM Rikoo’s responsibility to point it out when requested.
2) Even if the amendment were acceptable, the banning of myself from the forums was an act in breach of the agreement since I was, at the time of the banning, in full compliance.
3) The refusal to respond to my requests for clarification as to the length of posts constitutes a breach of good faith and may indicate malfeasance.
Upon receipt of these points, withing a few minutes, GM Stormcrow banned me from the game, showing he probably did not consult anyone but made the immediate decision without considering those legal points presented.
At no time have I violated any forum or game rule. I have been in strict and complete compliance with all rules from the first day I arrived. The banning was, in my opinion, an emotional response to being challenged in ways that GM’s are not generally challenged. It is my opinion that the bans are a breach of the contract and that legal redress is probably due.
That is how I was banned.
You might ask yourself how much of GM Rikoo’s actions were professional and courteous. Why didn’t he simply say what the maximum length was? I would have complied. Why didn’t he point to the part of the agreement that discussed the maximum length? There, to my knowledge, isn’t one. And why did GM Stormcrow back him up? — probably because they were tired of somebody ‘holding their feet to the fire” and making them do their jobs correctly. GM’s usually assume they have absolute power and most people are more willing to “go along to get along” than me. And usually, when they are challenged, the challenger engages in an emotional tirade which, if ignored, will probably just pass. So whatever punishment they have administered sticks because the person does not pursue the injustice. In short, it is my opinion that the GM’s here when faced with facts as to how they have screwed up, were embarrassed and reacted emotionally rather than with reason. And when emotions rule, they seldom rule well.
If you have questions, I’ll answer them. ajqtrz@gmail.com I will NOT be answering inquiry’s into my character, hygiene, or personal habits, literary or otherwise. Ask reasonable questions, get reasonable answers.
AJ
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Good riddance. Thanks devs.
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fuck you
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http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/chat-and-community-enforcement-information_topic5573.html
Devs can ban anyone for anyone reason at anytime or for no reason at any time.
http://www.illyriad.co.uk/Home/TermsConditions
Read number 4 which states:
“We may disable your user ID and password in our sole discretion without notice or explanation.”
So yes, they adhered to the contract.
And you can’t breach good faith. Parties will often have a duty of good faith for all sorts of things in the legal world; managing partners of an LLC have a duty of good faith to act in the best interests of the company for example. One would say, he breached his duty of good faith; not he breached good faith.
Also your post on gun control that got taken down in 44 minutes violated ToS if they even needed a reason, which they don’t.
Perhaps you should learn brevity or maybe just split your posts into multiple short ones; an easy fix.
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For starters for a contract to be viable, there needs to be consideration, in this case none.
Secondly, you said this “After this response from GM Stormcrow sent him a polite notice that the banning of myself from the forums was a breach of contract, making three legal points:”
Now, you know as well as I do and anyone else that if you use the word “legal” its game over. All communication ceases in this case a total ban from the game. I support what SC did, this is because in business, thats what happens. Personally it was overdue, you really are a pain in the ass that treats everyone else like they are an insect and you cannot admit error.
You said you were bullied by SIN? You posted an accusation on the forums with no basis whatsoever, the result of your words was a military response by sin. Even after that it took you quite a while to take it down and when you did you made it flippant.
As for GM Rikoos actions being professional? Well, last I checked being a mod on a game was not a profession its more of a hobby/occupation he is not answerable to a professional body on his actions so, its impossible to be a professional. As for courteous, you push, niggle, and belittle till the courtesy just erodes away, leaving a blunt response.
I am glad you are gone, I no longer have to even bother ignoring your posts or your GC where you make yourself out to be better than everyone. I suspect that Aga will be the next to go and will do it before his towns are razed just so he can say that he was never razed. Illyriad is far better game since you have been removed from it.
Good Riddance.
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@ajq, you are incorrect, sir, when you state: “1) You cannot amend a contract without notifying all parties of the change and giving them a reasonable amount of time to respond.”
In section 1 “Assignment” of the Terms and Conditions, the terms clearly state the following: “We may transfer, sub-contract or otherwise deal with our rights and/or obligations under these terms of use without notifying you or obtaining your consent.”
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AJ,
Forum moderation takes effort and it is not unreasonable for moderators to decide to ban individuals from fora if that individual creates an excessive workload fr forum moderation. It sounds like GM Stormcrow decided to ban you from the game for the same reason – that you were creating an excessive overhead that would distract them from more interesting and useful work.
It is true that you do not appear to have taken any specific action that violated the terms of use, but your behaviour in the round does appear to have been unreasonable. Resorting to legalistic forms of discussion in this context is aggressive and confrontational, and not worth their time to engage with.
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I’m not surprised of Devs reaction in fact. Every time someone had said something about legal or legal threats they get banned immediately. Its not just worth their time to get any of that sort of risks, since they can choose who can play and who can not. Maybe it was over reaction from their side its not the first time though.
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When things have devolved into nitpicking the legalities of forum rules, the spirit of good forum citizenship has already been breached.
Presumably you will now spend sixteen paragraphs lecturing me on the possible dictionary interpretations of the word “breached”.
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No, just one comment. I obeyed the forum rules and sought to insure that I did so by asking for them to be more concrete…so I would honor them and not make a mistake. Is the spirit of good forum citizenship to ignore the rules or strive to understand them so you don’t break them? Please don’t let your dislike of my person cloud your judgment. There is no higher honor of the forum than to try to insure you stay in the rules. Many fall because they push the edge of the rules, I fell because I asked where the edge might be so I could avoid pushing it.
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In the spirit of AJ attending his own Illyriad wake, I will answer his questions AJ-style!
> So how has SIN (since you mentioned them) save the game and made it more safe for the crafters, the traders and what not?
It hasn’t. That really isn’t SIN’s job. Neither has SIN made it measurably more dangerous for crafters and traders. It has generated activity for those people, in a game where their chosen path is often underappreciated.
> Have they made the entire land of Illy more or less free?
Again, not SIN’s job. I would argue that Illyriad is more free, though. While half of Fellandire is restricted for settlement, we have rid the Broken Lands of an Elgean coalition that intended to dominate BL in PvP and tournaments.
> Have they insured that a person like myself, can speak his or her mind without having a price put on him? Or without having armies sent at his cities?
Not SIN’s job. Speaking as someone who got paid to raze one of your cities, I appreciate the transaction you generated.
> How have the land claimers insured that all citizens of Illy are treated equally?
Not SIN’s job.
> Do all the citizens of Illy have the right to settle where they wish?
No. That conflict has led to many interesting actions within the game.
> Do they all have the right to disagree civilly in the forums?
Since you (personally) can’t disagree politely in the forums, you have lost your right to do so. Everyone else seems cool.
> Do they have the right to show up in GC and not receive a lot of “trash talk” directed at them?
Sow, and ye shall reap.
> Come now, do tell how the noble land claimers saving Illy for ALL players?
We aren’t. Neither are you, despite your delusions to the contrary. 99.99% of Illyrians would be quite amused to learn that they require saving, and that you are their savior.
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So it’s not SIN’s job to concern themselves with the health of the game? It’s not SIN’s job to concern themselves with anything, I presume, but doing what is good for SIN. And if SIN uses bullying, and it works for SIN well too bad for all the other players who do not wish the game to be “just a war game.” Too bad. You spoke of the honoring of the spirit of the forums but you ignore the spirit of the game and go about without regard to the dreams and aspirations of you fellow non-SIN players. You accuse me of not honoring the spirit of the forums and using nitpicking legalities and then hide behind the legality of “it not SIN’s job.” Interesting.
If it’s not SIN’s job to insure that the community of players in Illyriad remain vibrant and healthy and that the game is played in a way to encourage and invigorate new and upcoming players, whose job is it? If it’s not the players job to arrange things so that the most fun is had by the most players, whose job is it? The game is not the mechanics — those are just field upon which we play — it’s the people. So if it’s not the job of all the players to do whatever they can to insure that the players are having the most fun that can be hand, ALL the players, whose job is it?
Perhaps this is where we differ the most. I invested myself and am still investing my time and energy here, to make and keep Illyriad an open and free sandbox for all players. You want it to be the property of a dominant type of play where you do best. You want SIN to be the top-dog and you will use bullying if you need, to get it there. As Ken has experienced, and as I have experienced, when you let the bullies run free pretty soon the playground is empty except for the bullies.
AJ
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Get over it. There are 29 regions in the Broken Lands. The Hashashin alliance claimed half of one region. You are free to settle wherever you wish in the remaining 98% of the map. The idea that our tiny little nation has oppressed the dreams and aspirations of the entire community is ridiculous. The only reason for someone to infiltrate our borders without our consent is because they intend to do us military harm.
You are not here to advocate for the good of the game. A true champion for Illyriad would have learned much more about playing the game itself. You are here because you want the attention, and people are humoring you with replies. It’s your Illyriad obituary, so I suppose that’s appropriate. I hope you enjoy your final 15 minutes of Illyriad fame. I am enjoying the knowledge that your incessant complaining has ceased, and under self-inflicted and very predictable circumstances.
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Players might not know or care about SIN’s land claim. They might want a good spot for a city in the broken lands which just happens to be in SIN’s land claim. Not everyone plays illyriad as a war game so don’t assume that any ‘infiltration’ is an act against SIN. Also, you are not small and you have an impact on how the game is played. In my opinion, this should be used to encourage new players to stay around not bar them from parts of the map. Many new players are so worried about land claims that they don’t even consider settling in the Broken Lands in case they settle in a Land Claim and incur the wrath of a larger alliance.
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“As Ken has experienced, and as I have experienced, when you let the bullies run free pretty soon the playground is empty except for the bullies.”
You attempted to bully and intimidate the developers of Illyriad, though threats of legal action, to get your forum posting permissions reinstated. It backfired on you. Sometimes the bullies get what they deserve, no?
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AJ i’ve read a lot of your forum post and read your gc stuff and 90% i dont agree with you.The 10% i agree with you on, is the lack attention the dev’s have for illy now. If it wasent for Koda donating prizes, and begging them for another tournament illy would be dead. the only people having fun would be the war gamer’s. Your wrong about land claimers picking on trader/crafters. Tho im sure there are pricks in illy,as there are in a lot of online games, war gamers need them around. how else would we outfit our bully armies? In all honesy tho, if your going to let the troll’s of illy drive you as crazy as they have, then it’s best you were banned. Take care AJ.
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“”If it wasent for Koda donating prizes, and begging them for another tournament illy would be dead. “”
Just to clarify The only stuff the devs have done for this Tournament is to reactive the Tournament Squares and they are doing the medals for the winners. The reset was me and Digioso doing.
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I am not a war gamer and I enjoyed illyriad before I knew about Koda’s tournament. I was actually drawn to illyriad by the trade mechanics and the community, not the war aspect of the game.
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Thank you koda and digioso for your love of illy.
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there is enough arguing up there to make a book out of it.
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@Eowan the Short:
“Players might not know or care about SIN’s land claim. They might want a good spot for a city in the broken lands which just happens to be in SIN’s land claim. Not everyone plays illyriad as a war game so don’t assume that any ‘infiltration’ is an act against SIN.”
Players arriving in the SIN land claim by honest mistake are notified politely, given a long time to leave, and are given resource assistance in case they need help to research Exodus. Established players trying to enter our land claim are met with considerably more hostility, particularly if they would reasonably know about the claim in advance, or are members of alliances that we view as potential aggressors.
“Also, you are not small and you have an impact on how the game is played. In my opinion, this should be used to encourage new players to stay around not bar them from parts of the map.”
I spent a long time in Night Squires helping Myr to teach new players about Illyriad. I dare say I have done more to keep new players in this game than the vast majority of Illyriad’s population.
In my experience, new players leave because there is nothing to do in Illyriad, not because they only have 98% of the map available to them. If new players get scared about accidentally trespassing land claims, it is because fearmongering idiots in GC tell them to be scared. Later those same idiots post to threads on the forums making vague claims about the terror experienced by n00bs at the hands of the vile land claimers.
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As there are no marking on the world map in illyriad, it can be hard to know if you are in a land claim even if you know about them, why should an established player automatically get more hostility for their accident? Also, how do you define which players are established and which aren’t?
To give you clarification on the claims I have put forward about noobs being worried about settling in the broken lands, this is an excerpt from my alliances forums-
‘The Broken Lands continent (the newest continent in the Illyriad world) is right now a very dangerous place to colonize: lots of the most powerful alliances and even coalitions have claimed big chunks of its territory. Its highly advised to avoid settling new cities at the aforementioned continent’
This was added to the forums because my alliance leadership at the time had no way of knowing where was safe and where wasn’t. Unless you ask in either GC or AC and then get lucky and are sent links to useful pages, finding helpful information on land claims is unlikely. I would not say the person who posted this was fearmongering as I cannot see a motive to it and they are certainly not an idiot.
I am sure that you have helped new players across illyriad, I just think that land claims are unhelpful for them.
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There is a page in the game forum that is kept updated with land claims. Also, “most of the powerful alliance even coalitions have claimed big chunks of terriotory” is very disingenuous. That alone is fear mongering in your alliance.
If the person that wrote that fear mongering post in your alliance forum could identify where these so called large chunks of BL have been claimed that would be great.
Honestly, its not hard to find the information if you spent 5 minutes looking for it. In the time that you wrote your post, you could have educated yourself. If your alliance leaders dont know whats going on in illyriad, find another alliance. They are doing you a disservice by feeding you nothing.
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I googled “Illyriad land claim map” and was immediately shown a page on this site with an updated map of land claims. The person who wrote that post is an idiot, I don’t care who it was. The Broken Lands are not “very dangerous”, there are many open places to colonize, and it is lies and fearmongering to advise people to avoid the entire continent.
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Having spoken to the person who posted this, when I showed him the land claim map he immediately was for settling in the Broken Lands. If you check the strategic map, you will see that my alliance has settled areas in Puchuallpa and Lapoa Lua.
He was not fearmongering, he was just not as involved in the community as some people so from what he had seen, presumably in GC, he had got the impression that the Broken Lands are dangerous.
A lot of people don’t even think about googling stuff like that because a lot of games do not have the community that illyriad has so googling is pointless as you don’t know how up to date the information is or whether it is accurate.
Also, the alliance that I am in has democratically elected leadership. If he was incompetent then he would not have been in a leadership role.
The point I was trying to make is that for anyone who is not as involved in the community as you assume everyone is, land claims make the Broken Lands a more daunting choice which does make the game worse by forcing people to stay in elgea due to lack of knowledge.
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I disagree with TenK when he said this “The Broken Lands are not “very dangerous”” .
When I first landed in BL I stubbed my toe.. since then a bear and some dogs have eaten my herbalists. Aside from that though it was a fairly peaceful existence of avenging my fallen herbalist…. until my skinners were eaten by a polar bear! I went to avenge them until some cotters were killed and presumably eaten by a cyclops, they just never saw eye to eye. After that trauma I decided that mining was the best option for me, I bravely sent my miners out in search of stuff. They narrowly avoided some white tigers on the voyage to the mines. Shortly after they had arrived though a roving group of Saurians ate them all.
I decided enough was enough and kept everything safe at home in my town due to BL being so dangerous with dinosaurs and such roaming around… it’s like a ultra low budget Jurassic Park where they spared every expense.
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check out this post made by ajqtrz at the comments at the bottom of the page:
http://gameslikefinder.com/illyriad/
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rofl im done
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AJ you can add a thousand paragraphs. No one cares. We don’t care about the person behind AJ or the player. Your gone and we are happy shredding your work of art (cities). You will be erased from this game soon. The sooner the better. CYA!!!
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